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kb

I'll assume you will be posting my previously written comments on this thread soon.KB

kb

"Not only does he peddle "books" which are nothing but transcriptions of his speeches"

Really? HE does this? That's odd. I've never seen HIM doing this at all, though there are a few other smart folks doing it. Has Chomsky said somewhere that he was against earning money, or making a living? That's strange. I've never heard him say this once. This is just another in the LOOOOOONG list of non-existent red-herrings and perpetuated lies. A little on the order of him supposedly being "anti-American" or "anti-Semitic".KB

"but he gets paid extravagantly for making the speeches in the first place."

He does? Last time I heard his net worth was FAR smaller than I would have expected. Perhaps some numbers to support the position which you think means something. And I think he was out doing exactoly what he is now for a LONG time for nothing before he began to be recognized for his genius, and the money began flowing in.KB

"And it all stems from his reputation as a truth-teller to power!"

Even this phrase is a sign of incompetence to discuss the topic. He often says that when folks say that people should speak truth to power that he disagrees with them and thinks it's pretty much a waste of time, as those in power are very well aware of what's going on. It's not like telling them is going to change anything at all. It's on the line of slaves telling their masters that they should be more humane and instill some sort of humanitarian consciouness into them, and expecting them to all of the sudden just say "Oh! I never thought of that! Okay! You're free!" So, perhaps a little reading of Chomsky would prevent you from making statements like this. How long have I been pointing out your erors now regarding this guys work? You could have easily read ALL of his books about four times now and been in some sort of position to make actual criticisms if you would have spent you time reading instead of just picking a sentence out of context from time to time and then thinking you know what follows. You don't. It's basically a lower form of what Skamm does. He picks three sentences and gets them all wrong. But at least he is able to fool those who have read less than three sentences. You know, like 99% of the anti-Chomskyites.KB

"Name brand value!"

Yes, actually, most of his books are. Of course one would have to actually read the book to get any value from it. Just looking at the cover and guessing what the contents maybe would hardly count.KB

Tanuki

Lemme get this straight. Chomsky himself isn't marketing his "books," therefore he's not to blame if they're a sort of rip-off? As evidence, you claim that you haven't seen him do it? And you are his valet de chambre, I suppose? (Stop salivating, I don't think the position's open).

Like I wrote in the post, I don't fault Chomsky for being good capitalist, but isn't that contrary to his image? By the way, if you want more info on what he charges as a speaker, follow the link the article. I think the author mentions it's 12K a pop. DO follow the links, please, if you are going to comment at length.

Finally, I find it odd that you didn't respond to the most damning allegation: Chomsky fulminates against trusts, yet has his own. Furthermore, he has money invested in the things that he condmens in no uncertain terms: "oil companies, pharmaceuticals, military contractors..."

What gives? (I suggest you claim it's all a big lie to defame the great man. Support this by quoting Chomsky denying these allegations. Happy hunting, and don't come back until you've got the goods!)

kb

Tanuki said:

"Lemme get this straight. Chomsky himself isn't marketing his "books," therefore he's not to blame if they're a sort of rip-off?"

Well, no, he isn't marketing his books, and I have no idea why someone would refer to the compilations from speeches as rip offs. They are what they are. You don't like them, you don't buy them. Actually, there much lighter reading for those who don't like reading books with 500 footnotes, all the evidence one could possibly compile, etc...Same goes with the little pamphlet books. If you want to know his thought on any subject in any great detail, and his reasons for many of his thesis, you're going to have to read one his regular books. Sorry, but there's STILL no way around it. Why would you care anyway? You've never read him, and said you wouldn't (actually said you would, several times and then didn't do it, of course, not wanting to jepordize your standing as a real anti-Chomskyite by being able to claim that you'd actually read him). I'm still trying to figure out your fascination with this guy who you know nothing about, and that which you do know is almost all completely incorrect. I just think it's bizzare.KB

"As evidence, you claim that you haven't seen him do it?"

Yes, as I have all of his books and have never seen him do it, have never read about him doing it, etc...I DO hope yopu're not going to ask me to prove a negative like you have often done in the past. You know, like "Prove that he's NOT a Pol Pot apologist." Well, it's the same here. He's not, never has been, and there's no data demonstrating otherwise, so it's your duty to "prove" whatever you "think" you see.KB

"And you are his valet de chambre, I suppose? (Stop salivating, I don't think the position's open)."

I am? I'm his valet because I've read his books? That's an interesting analysis. YOU keep writing about him, NOT knowing what you're talking about, yet I get the label for knowing the topic. Hmmm....Guess what? I bet there are many more people I've read that you also haven't. Am I there valets as well? Sounds more like simple name-calling as there's really nothing of substance for you to argue about given you don't know his work.KB

"Like I wrote in the post, I don't fault Chomsky for being good capitalist"

Yes, why would you? He lives in the U.S. and things work a certain way in the U.S. Do you think that communists living in communist countries don't try and make a living where they are? What's your point? That a person can't point out the ills of capitalism, which only a deaf, dumb, and blind person couldn't notice (Actually, Helen Keller wasn't dumb, but even she was a good socialist)while living in a semi-capitalist country? That's absurd.KB

"but isn't that contrary to his image?"

No, it's contrary to YOUR incorrect image of him. You mistakenly "think" you know what he's all about, and you haven't a clue, nor do you even want to. How many humdreds of times have I told you over the years that many of your charges have not only been factually incorrect and mistaken, but often the exact opposite of his actual positions? So, no, he's been VERY consistant from his early days until today. I'm not sure, actually I am, what you thought would be contrary. Has he said in anything you 'haven't' read that people should get jobs, try to earn a living, etc...Never even crossed his mind as far as I can see.KB

"By the way, if you want more info on what he charges as a speaker, follow the link the article."

Yes, I know. So what? I charge so much as a tutor. Was there supposed to be some sort of relationship between the money I make and thinking that many aspects of capitalism are pathetic? Or how certain aspects of foreign policy are depraved? Or how I'm helping to pay for a lot of it?Nothing whatsoever.KB

"I think the author mentions it's 12K a pop."

That'S all? That'S pretty low. Ex-politicians, and even media buffs get this much, don't they? And look at their anti-contribution to thinking in general.KB

"DO follow the links, please, if you are going to comment at length."

There's nothing to comment on. What? He should get more? What's your point? You're jealous?KB

"Finally, I find it odd that you didn't respond to the most damning allegation: Chomsky fulminates against trusts, yet has his own."

He "fulminates against trusts"? Really? Wouldn't know. I've only read all of his books, listened to hundreds of hours of lectures, and corresponded with him, and it has never been there, so I wouldn't know. However, if you have some evidence for this feel free to give it. Still don't know what you think this might prove though. He probably drives a car that uses gas provided by an oil company he despises, too. He may even eat at a fastfood restaurant from time to time even though he's probably against that company cutting down rainforests to make their burgers. Are there any people who don't do this? It would appear that not haveing anything better to attack him on, you've now been reduced to attacking the one thing which you should not be attacking him for. It's a non-issue, and it's irrelevant.KB

"Furthermore, he has money invested in the things that he condmens in no uncertain terms: "oil companies, pharmaceuticals, military contractors...""

Yeah, yeah, yeah, we know, we know. We've heard it all before. And once again I ask, so? Now if he were really sophisticated and intelligent that's exactly what he'd do. He'd become a shareholder, i.e., part owner of the company, and then could demand things from them, which, would probably go a lot further than protesting in front of their buildings, which he may also do. Taking the money from the crooks, and probably using it to combat them, is quite intelligent I'd say.KB

"What gives?"

Exactly! What gives? Was there an issue here up for discussion? The "Chomsky has a trust" herring is old and has been responded to. You can find his response to the nonsense if you want. However, YOU must go and look for it and read it. It's definitely not going to come from the "sources" you use for your disinformation, and spin.KB

"(I suggest you claim it's all a big lie to defame the great man."

Was that supposed to be an issue? Of course that's what this is about. How many other folks, especially from the god forsaken right has anyone tried to call on the carpet for saving money? As far as being a lie that he saves some of his money, I have no such claim, nor have I ever had, so I guess we can just toss this one. GFore Vidal has lots of money and is critical/honest about much of U.S. foreign policy, why not rag on him for a while? And he's gay, too.KB

"Support this by quoting Chomsky denying these allegations."

PING! There it is. Asking me to prove a negative again. You REALLY should work on this. No, YOU provide the evidence that he has ever mentioned that making money was bad. Happy hunting.KB

"Happy hunting, and don't come back until you've got the goods!)"

In other words, don't come back. I see. This was supposed to be a "clever" way around outright banning. "Prove a negative and don't come back until you do." That's funny. Okay, and you can prove that you haven't read all of his books and don't come back until you have. Oh, and simply saying that you haven't isn't proof.KB


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